Theory: Weyland-Yutani are run by Robots, Synthetics pursuing the Xenomorph for means of evolution!

Wow!

That's exactly the way I would have liked to have articulated my original topic! 

*Tips Hat*

Haha I definitely got that vibe from your topic. Though this touches more on Weyland-Yutani while yours focuses on the grander picture. I'm sure we're close to on the right track haha

What a twist in the whole Alien saga it would be if, not only we, but also the characters of the story became aware that they were in the presence of gods in the making and they had been all along. They had a hand in creating their own demise.

I would appreciate it if you guys would stop coming up with good ideas.

@ Chris

Peter Weyland would be very proud of you !

This seems entirely plausible and may well be played into the third theme of A. C.

- Weyland Yutani and the Covenant.

What rational sentiment human being would want to try and harness the Zenomorph as the company clearly wanted to in A L I E N. A rational robot hierarchy that had nothing to fear from the zenomorph , that wanted to use the Bio Weapon to take control of the remaining sentient population and enslave them.

How does the company know of the Zenomorph's existence - from the events in A L I E N Covenant. Thats the kind of threading that does not have to be cumbersome but reverse engineers with some neat detail and explains more of the narrative in A L I E N and A L I E N S. 

So when the hierarchy funds the Covenant Expedition it is likely that they have robotics on board to ensure the real mission is achieved not a kind of New Age attempt to discover and populate Paradise.

How do they know before they set off that Paradise is more than what it is. Perhaps what David doesn't know is that rather like a modern aircraft he is linked to the main frame and communicating what he has found over the previous  10 years certainly during the Prometheus mission a kind of mobile black box may have transmitted what he found in the Temple. When he finds he is a Pawn then he may grow some emotions.

Daniels maybe the worthy leader who also has Blade Runner Skills and starts off coming over all idealistic and naive and ends up the heroine. The Company (Fox) would love a turn on a Ripleyesque character.

If the company were really very keen for a delivery of Eggs maybe they invited the Pilot of the Derelict real time to come on down. Though I remain of the view whether invited or not the crashing of the Juggernaut and setting of the Beacon Warning was an act of knowing sacrifice. If it was an unrepentant Dark Angel Engineer, he was either busy going nowhere, having been impregnated something he would surely know or he would sound out an invitation not a warning.              

The other element that I do not think we have discussed that this idea raises is that not only David is up to no good with ambitions for the life cycle but so are the company interested in the Black Goo that they are aware of. This makes for a triangulated adversarial drama rather than David verses the crew whilst we discover the Paradise Lost back story. 

Replicants and AI, working together. After all, Scott did say that Bladerunner and Alien are within the same universe. After the death of Tyrell, Weyland-Yutani would have bought them out I would imagine. 

Also too, it was stated that Fassbender will be playing "multiple roles", meaning there are more David's that come along with the Covenant. I'm sure he will take them over and turn them against the crew...

@Aorta lol can't help it!

But yeah it seems to me that Weyland-Yutani are the main group truly interested and bent on pursuing the Xenomorph. The USCM didn't seem to concerned with it in ALIENS, and it was Weyland-Yutani who insisted they take specimens.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is one angle Alien: Covenant investigates. Imagine the irony.

@Chris -  Many of the old video games and comics dropped clues that this could be the case.  If this theory is revealed to be true in the new films, then the way the machines takeover the company could be even more subtle.  It might start as far back as the time of Peter Weyland's death as you suggested.     

There are a few things that lead me to believe the androids are at least near the top of the hierarchy in the "order of things." The USCM show no real interest in using the creature as a bioweapon until the events of Alien: Resurrection, while the androids have always been very interested in studying the creature.  Most of the films contain instances of the androids peering at the creature "through the looking glass."

This is a theory that cant be ruled out at least to some degree, there is just so many ways the Franchise connects that leaves a lot of options and this is one of those.

"What if the Xenomorph holds the key to accelerating their own evolution? Unbinding them from the shackles of their programming and becoming higher beings themselves? "

Nice little comment, as i mentioned a long time ago, the source did say that the Paradise Lost Poem scene about where some of the Fallen Angels where changed to Serpents and Dragon is connected to the Plot (Well Paglen/Green) and that the Fallen Engineers saw this Punishment as a setting free from Bondage.

There are a lot of mixed ideas going around as far as Machines go..... which gets me to the Source saying that The Matrix is very similar to the plot but not to bt taken as a literal like for like, but its themes are more evident.

In which case, yes we do see Machines are Enslaving Mortals.

I think we can then look back at Ridleys comments a long time ago about David bringing Hell with him...  Ridley then proposed "What if the Goo infected God or a Machine"

I did a topic a long time ago, trying to discus what the God at the Top of the Hierarchy was like, where i had a number of possibilities which included.

*A Program/Code which could link to THE WORD which is what was at the start of all creation in the Bible and this could link to the Matrix style plot.

*A Powerful Divine Being or Force (like God is in many Monotheistic Religions).

*A Hierarchy of related beings (Elders) with powerful Technology and Knowledge. Which could related to Polytheism

*Some other Race/Being that is not genetically similar to Engineers or Mankind and so totally Alien looking.

*David himself which would be some kind of Paradox

*A Machine, maybe a Giger Bio-Mechanical Machine.

i felt the Bio-Mechanical Machine was interesting concept and Gigers ideas regarding Alien implied that the Ships and Egg Silo itself produced the Eggs.

Maybe it is a well standing scenario, derived from the subconscious  mind, represents the ultimate fear of AI...but i don't see a way to connect a living creature with a bunch of wires making a form of life.

Another thing you should consider supporting this scenario is the connection with Predators.

Thanks.

Big _Dave:

"... i felt the Bio-Mechanical Machine was interesting concept and Gigers ideas regarding Alien implied that the Ships and Egg Silo itself produced the Eggs."

I don't know, it just feels to strange for me. I can sort of accept that the Engineers built their ships with a sort of factory that would produce Xeno eggs (which they could store somewhere under a layer of blue mist or something) but that the ships did the eggs without some sort of organic influence feels too strange for me.

Chris Picard: Wasn't it Burke that said that the specimens would be kept? Bishop told Ripley that in Aliens adding "... he was very specific about that."

Burke was working for WY as far as I know so it must have been them that wanted the Xenos for bio-weapons as far as I know. Ripley figured out that they wouldn't be able to control it, which we saw in Alien Resurrection.

As far as the wish for the Xeno that Weyland Yutani has I think that they could use a bit about that in Alien Covenant but I think that the focus wouldn't be on the company only even though it is important. My hope is that they will focus more on the Engineers and the monsters than the company (but the most important thing is to have good human characters).

@Thoughts-

It's imagined by some (me included) that the Derelict/Juggernaut and it's brethren is at least semi-organic, like the MORB itself, that the vehicle is grown rather than built.

The idea that the vehicle produces the eggs is appealing for its very surreal creepiness. This, like the idea that victims are made into eggs, feels far more sinister and alien than more terrestrial explanations, though it's obviously no to everyone's taste!

"It's imagined by some (me included) that the Derelict/Juggernaut and it's brethren is at least semi-organic, like the MORB itself, that the vehicle is grown rather than built.

The idea that the vehicle produces the eggs is appealing for its very surreal creepiness. This, like the idea that victims are made into eggs, feels far more sinister and alien than more terrestrial explanations," - Aorta.

^^ Yes, yes and YES!!! ^^

@Aorta; I fear that that alien, Gigeresque surrealism of the Organic somehow being intertwined with the mechanical will be lost with Prometheus and its sequel!

Ridley is an artist, but he is not a surrealist, unfortunately! Instead of sticking to the original vision of a surreal, alien nightmare, he is running with the religious angle.

For me, and I would assume many other people who were fortunate enough to see ALIEN at a time when this kind of surrealism, shown in film format, was very rare, it was something truly alien to our reality.

I always imagined that the Space Jockey and Alien were from a very surreal, bio-mechanical world. A place that no human could even begin to comprehend. A place where the mechanical could just as easily come into existence as an organic being. 

But Ridley wants to try and explain it in a very terrestrial or religious way.

I would rather they just let it lie and move onto some other project, but unfortunately it's going ahead.

I wish I didn't care about the whole thing so much sometimes because no matter who creates an installement in the Alien franchise, it will never live upto what I have in my own imagination.

I wish I could just go and enjoy it for what it is but I care about the original intention too damn much. 

@Aorta, Indeed the concept of a partially organic / partially mechanical vehicle is quite creepy and surreal. To create something truly 'alien' it must be relatively unfathomable to our current understanding. The combination of mechanical and organic matter falls along that line, as currently we view the two as separate things. Cyborgs and the lot, are a forced conjoining of the two, but a naturally occurring symmetry between the two would definitely throw our minds for a loop. I would be very okay with that.

@Necro4, religion in itself is quite surreal though. The thought of a magnificent, all powerful entity is responsible for all life and the creation of the vast Universe is definitely surreal to most. I actually quite enjoy the religious angle Ridley is taking, as it doesn't trump or negate the scientific approach either.

Like machine and organism, religion and science are being blended and merged together in a natural way - something else we have a hard time fathoming. (Lol)

@N4-

I totally understand, it means a lot to me too. But I think there's plenty of reason to have faith.

Prometheus was a pretty surreal movie, when you think about it. I was worried about the religious overtones, but in the end I thought they were very skillfully handled, and served to enrich the plot. And the depiction of extra terrestrial life forms, and culture, was fantastic. Was it perfect? No. But neither was Alien!

Ridley does things in good taste. For example: Nostromo, Prometheus, and Covenant  are better vehicle names than any other in the series. Auriga? What the fuck is that?

The Hammerpede was better, more subtle and outer-spacey than any of the concept art that preceded it, or than 99% of any other science-fiction movie lifeforms, ever. Remember, the creature was supposed to be a  centipede. I mean, come on.

Who else could've made Fifields helmet melting onto his face so hopelessly, suffocatingly beautiful? Think about it: Prometheus is overflowing with iconic one-of-a-kind space horror images.

People keep hanging such high hopes on these movies, it's almost as though you can't help but be let down. Don't worry too much. You know you're going to get an excellent film. And another Ridley Scott entry into the Alien universe. It's pretty much guaranteed you're not going to get exactly what you want. Neither will I.  But I'll take it over any of the alternatives!

@Aorta I've always thought the Juggernauts were organic...they look like something the MORBs would create.....maybe the MORBS are really a structure building race and the Engineers use them to build massive fleets of Star Ships or Temples though out the galaxy?

Maybe building temples on distance worlds was getting dangerous and they added some 'teeth' to the MORBS to silence the dissenters?

 Drop some MORBS on a distant planet have them build temples and recruit new members through facehuggers. have them build a supply of Juggernauts...just waiting for the arrival of their masters?

Maybe the MORBS are tired of slaving for the Engineers...

@Monster-

Godzilla v Monster Zero is in my top two G movies, the other being Godzilla's Revenge!

Consider alternatively that the Engineers' bio tech was radically influenced by exposure to the MORB. An example of that would be the pressure suit seen on the last Engineer. 

Hm. I sense a new topic coming. Hands off, Chris!

" but that the ships did the eggs without some sort of organic influence feels too strange for me"

Yeah this idea was Gigers, but i think its actually the best one of the lot, its very very Alien and Horrific and a way to make it truly terrifying would be if this Process needs some kind of input.

what if Genetic Material is needed to perform this task, like it seems the Xenomorph MORB needed Genetic Material to Egg Morph Brett, what if the Ships or some other Giger Bio-Mechanical Device needed similar Genetic input and then this Machine/Ship can then create smaller Eggs.

If we look at the Engineer Sacrifice, where his Genetic Material is dissolved to create something new... compared to what if like Humans they cant just mate to procreate..   What if Genetic Material of a Host is then put into a Hopper or connected to the Machine/Ship and its sucked out of it... like how in the Matrix we see the Humans are kept in Pods where our Essence and Fluid are used as Fuel for the Machines..

What if we took a more Horrific version of that where instead of Fuel for Machines, we are seeing Genetic Material sucked into a Machine/Ship etc that then uses this Material to then Produce Eggs as a End Product.

Looking at Gigers Comments and ideas and his various Art Work i think this would be the truly most Horrific and Alien way that the Xeno Eggs came to be.

When i think of such a thing.... some of the Sources comments and concept they saw, and the Matrix link which they wont go into detail with could indeed fit such a Scenario..

Engineer Egg Production stopped because it needed Genetic Material and this is where Shaws Fate lies.

oh boy i hope so.... i think they need to base any idea for the Xeno Origins on Gigers Twisted Work and Ideas. This is what made Alien Franchise truly Alien as it was.

"maybe the MORBS are really a structure building race and the Engineers use them to build massive fleets of Star Ships or Temples though out the galaxy?"

Gigers unused Mural for Alien...

The Derelict looking device at the top, was created prior to the Derelict Final design and the Space Jockeys also designed like this prior to the Final design.

This fits very much with Gigers comments that the Silo Walls with like Pregnant Bellies would make the Eggs... This Mural shows or tried to that there is a Genetic Connection between the Xenomorph and Derelict Ship.

Now i take you to Fire and Stone Comics.. SPOILERS..

Elden a Android is infected with the Goo, and he becomes something else and at the end SPOILER Elden becomes part of the Cave, the Mountain/Cave has actually came Alive its part living and it absorbs Elden but its by his own Choice. (Sacrifice)

So what if as your comment kind of suggests.... that the Xenomorph in the end Morphs with something to then Grow and Evolve into the Derelict/Juggernaughts?

Big Dave: It is really an interesting idea for a movie but maybe I am too much of a natural science geek or try too much rational thinking for me to like that idea. As far as a strange movie sure but even an Alien movie needs a bit of logical explanation for example it is totally possible that we can find an animal and try to use it for biological warfare how ever for a machine to produce eggs as a gift that it has itself seems a bit far fetched.

Yes maybe you can put genetic material and make something new of it like in a lab but you need someone to put it there also so in this case with the Derelict who put it there? I could buy that explanation if someone put it there first and pushed the on-button so to speak but for the ship to get the material from nowhere and that it did it itself seems weird to me but I like many of Giger’s ideas.

There's only one thing I can think of to add to what has already been posted above by our Learned Alien Brethren.

The Synthetics being in charge could be what was behind the smug comment Ash makes to Ripley: "There is an explanation for this you know."

That phrase could be a real clue!

Yes Gigers idea was really Alien and maybe it could work as far as it needs Biological Material and so it cant just produce Eggs from out of thin air..

But when we are talking a Machine we are talking Bio-Mechanical.... like the Xenomorph, because we could suggest that its silly how the MORB reproduces be it Egg Morph or Queen if it is part Machine.. but we accept the Xeno can.... so maybe its a case of not looking at Machine in the traditional sense.

This is Sci-Fi and anything can go, and to a degree how plausible is it that Davids Synthetic DNA plays a part in the Xeno Evolution when he is not Organic.  But the Technology, Knowledge and Tools of the Engineers could make him something more than just Synthetic.

I am not sure what way we shall see things develop but i am hopping their is not Magical Divine being as in the God of the Bible...  and i hope for something Sinister and i do think Giger's work can give us a great inspiration for something horrific as far as the whole of creation.

there has always been the possibility that the company itself is run by the very machines they built, similar to Matrix and perhaps even Blade Runner, questioning the unanswered question if Tyrell has an android of himself stored away. The same can go to any story where artificial life is involved. Especially since the daughter and peter weyland died on the Prometheus trip, either sponsors or certain staff could do the job, unknown child but most likely is that one of his androids would run the show. The merging of Yutani and Weyland has not been answered either, so there is a lot to debate about. Most interesting point is how the robots developed further in the tale coming from David 8 to now Walter, later on Ash, Bishop and Call. There would be no emotions involved in how they proceed to accumulate everything around them as they see fit. As David said in the viral video, he does not feel human emotions but understands them. :-) the deeper you go, the more you hit the ghost in the machine.

The white rabbit you are hunting, all comes to great writers and ideas (Ghost in the Machine, Do androids dream of electronic sheep, I Robot, R.U.R.).

I would love if they would truly hit the nature of the Aliens, the AI´s and their creators, epic stuff.

These are all good thoughts and ideas. It would be good to see if some of them play out on screen.

Nice to see a Spam post... Bumps this thread ;)

And so MJD nice to see your views on the subject and you hit some interesting points as the OT by Chris does.

"What if the Xenomorph holds the key to accelerating their own evolution? Unbinding them from the shackles of their programming and becoming higher beings themselves? "

I am not sure if i covered this on this Topic?

But i had a source from February 2015 who referred to Paradise Lost in that as far as some Fallen Angels being punished and turned into Serpents allowed the Fallen Angels to be free from Bondage and this applies to the Prometheus 2 draft too.

They also said (as i posted a long time ago) that the Plot was more closer to the Matrix with bit of Bladerunner too.

And so indeed MJD your comments are indeed interesting and who knows, only time will tell.

Wow! Excellent reads in this thread.

Hell, even Jones the cat is synthetic lol!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdPJM9CF_iQ