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Autobot_Crossties

MemberMothra LarvaeApr-29-2015 9:44 AM

Ok so we know Ghidorah, Mothra ,and Rodan are making their appearances in Godzilla 2. The Question is How will Edwards bring these monsters into the Legendary series. Heres My theory, the Muto are prey themeselves, prey for Ghidorah and he came to earth to very well eat them, Godzilla awakens to Ghidorahs landing, they begin fighting in a big city. The fighting awakens Mothra a Deity in an older species than Godzilla, sworn herself to protect the world. Mothra joins the battle on th side with Godzilla, but Godzilla doesn't understand that right away and fights both. In an attempt to show Godzilla of their alliance she takes a blow from Ghidorah and then they team, But Ghiforah proves too much for them and as Ghidorah is about to kill Godzilla ,Rodan flies in and attacked the dragon. In a final attempt to attack Ghidorah, the ally and overwhelm Ghidorah killing him.

Was my Theory Good or Not.

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Something Real

MemberGodzillaApr-29-2015 2:11 PM

AUTOBOT_CROSSTIES - I very much enjoyed your theory! I especially appreciate the fact that you want Ghidorah to maintain his extraterrestiral origins; for me, that is an extremely important aspect! Thank you very much for taking the time to formulate this hypothesis and share it with us! :)

G. H. (Gman)

AdminGodzillaApr-29-2015 6:37 PM

"the Muto are prey themeselves, prey for Ghidorah"

Hahaha! I actually love that concept. Not only does it put the MUTOs in their place, but it establishes King Ghidorah as a much, much greater threat to both mankind and Godzilla.

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

godzilla200010

MemberMothra LarvaeApr-30-2015 4:57 AM

I actually had a thery that the muto have the emps beacuse of ghidorah possibly havigna eltric bite of sme sorts beigna reference to his gravity beams. Also a nostalgic as the space thing is I don't think it's goign to be that way in the movie.

Autobot_Crossties

MemberMothra LarvaeApr-30-2015 6:35 AM

Well I'll Be honest i really couldnt think of a way to bring in Rodan. Its a mystery to me on how Edwards wishes to bring him in more or less. All I persnally can think of is Rodan is a surviving creature sleeping since the age of the Godzilla species and was awoken by the fight with the MUTO and nnow flyin around the world

godzilla 2014 and friends

MemberMothra LarvaeApr-30-2015 7:40 AM

the fight must be in tokyo!!!!

Autobot_Crossties

MemberMothra LarvaeApr-30-2015 8:34 AM

Really it doesnt but it would be nice to see a Tokyo battle, like in the Heisei era battles could be fought in Osaka or Hokkiado

Durp004

MemberBaragonApr-30-2015 9:38 AM

I pretty much see this following Ghidorah the three-headed monster, with the 3 good monsters fighting amonst themselves while Ghidorah is built up, then after one of the three good monsters who it has shown are strong in their own right due to the fights they've had with Godzilla ending in a draw getting wiped out by Ghidorah to show how superior he is, then the last 2 end up fighting him together.

Autobot_Crossties

MemberMothra LarvaeApr-30-2015 12:27 PM

If your theory is correct then just like the Muto, Godzilla will kick their butts. You cant touch the king even if you get a good lick off on him hes just gonna come back and kill you

Ray Burrberry

MemberMothra LarvaeMay-01-2015 5:10 PM

Godzilla by himself could take on and defeat Ghidora. A more likely scenario is Ghidora defeating Rodan and Mothra showing off how powerful he is which would leave Godzilla as the last hope. 

G. H. (Gman)

AdminGodzillaMay-01-2015 8:00 PM

"Godzilla by himself could take on and defeat Ghidora."

Based on what information do we know this for sure?

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

Ray Burrberry

MemberMothra LarvaeMay-02-2015 7:16 AM

Godzilla has beaten King Ghidora in decisive fashion in the Heisei series. Granted, this is a different series and a different Godzilla, but if he can beat two mutos on his own, he can certaintly beat KG on his own. I just think having him get help from Mothra and Rodan makes him look weak.

Durp004

MemberBaragonMay-02-2015 7:52 AM

^Question do you consider the MUTOs were high level opponents compared to other monsters that Godzillas have fought?

Ray Burrberry

MemberMothra LarvaeMay-02-2015 2:49 PM

DURP004

Do you mean, do I think the MUTOS are tougher than previous Godzilla opponents?

Depends on who you're comparing them to. Are they tougher than say King Ghidorah? The Kamikiras?

Also, define high level.

 

Huge-Ben

MemberBaragonMay-02-2015 2:56 PM

@Ray Burrberry,

What he is basically asking is, do you think that the Mutos are tougher than any other monster Godzilla has fought, and how high of a level would you put them? Example, above Destroyah, Spacegodzilla, super mechagodzilla, original king ghidorah. 

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G. H. (Gman)

AdminGodzillaMay-02-2015 4:50 PM

Granted, this is a different series and a different Godzilla, but if he can beat two mutos on his own, he can certaintly beat KG on his own. I just think having him get help from Mothra and Rodan makes him look weak.

But you don't know how powerful King Ghidorah will be. What if he's the kind of monster that can take out 12 MUTOs at once? If we want any kind of suspense and any real awe with King Ghidorah he should be the kind of monster that outclasses Godzilla. Getting help shouldn't make Godzilla look weak, it should make King Ghidorah look formidable-- Just like the Showa series. There's currently no indication of how King Ghidorah will be presented and assuming Godzilla can take him out on his own is literally based on nothing. What if the writers make King Ghidorah the most powerful giant organisim? 

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

Ray Burrberry

MemberMothra LarvaeMay-02-2015 9:49 PM

@GMAN2887

I'm all for presenting King Ghidorah as more powerful and formidable as Godzilla as it would make for a greater villain and obstacle for Godzilla to overcome. What I don't want to see is a remake of Ghidrah the Three Headed Monster wherein the same three monsters ironically team up to defeat one foe. I also don't want to see Godzilla get overshadowed in his own film yet again by three other monsters making their big budget Legendary debut. 

 

Ray Burrberry

MemberMothra LarvaeMay-02-2015 10:03 PM

@DURP004

@BIGBADBEN

I wouldn't classify the MUTOS as very high level but somewhere in the middle. The Godzilla opponents I consider high level are King Ghidorah, MechaGodzilla, Mothra, and Destroyah. I have Mothra as high level due to several battles and victories over Godzilla. I don't believe the MUTOS are anywhere as tough as KG, MG, or Destroyah but they did give Godzilla 2014 a run for the money. 

Durp004

MemberBaragonMay-02-2015 10:41 PM

Ok, so let me get your logic straight here. You wouldn't put the mutos on the same level as Ghidorah, but your logic behind why he wouldn't need help vs Ghidorah and could "certainly beat him" is based off the fact he beat 2 mutos. Well.........I'm at a loss here.

Ray Burrberry

MemberMothra LarvaeMay-03-2015 4:47 AM

I've also communicated that Godzilla has beaten King Ghidorah one-on-one before in the Heisei series. The question is do you believe that Godzilla can beat KG on his own?

Durp004

MemberBaragonMay-03-2015 7:55 AM

I mean after he got hit by stronger nukes making him bigger and stronger than he ever was before, and the fight was still pretty close. There's also the fact that when he came back as mechaghidorah the fight ended either as a draw or in Mecha king ghidorah's favor depending how you look at it. You keep pointing out Godzilla took on Ghidorah 1v1 and won in heisei. Ok well in Ghidorah the Three headed Monster, Monster Zero, and Destroy All Monsters Godzilla needed help to do it. So that's just as much.

 

Do I believe that Legendary Godzilla can beat Ghidorah on his own? That answer is a resounding No, due to the fact Rodan and Mothra will be in the next movie with him.

 

Ray Burrberry

MemberMothra LarvaeMay-03-2015 10:57 AM

@DURP004

Do I believe that Legendary Godzilla can beat Ghidorah on his own? That answer is a resounding No, due to the fact Rodan and Mothra will be in the next movie with him. 

Okay, we don't know for sure that Rodan and Mothra will be allied with Godzilla. All we know is that Legendary has been given permission to use these characters..

And by giving a resounding thumbs down to the possibility of Godzilla beating Ghidorah on his own, what does that say about Godzilla?

I'd rather have the  solo Godzilla who can take on 2-3 opponents at a time rather than the one who appeared in the Showa films you mentioned. Don't get me wrong, the way Godzilla and those films were handled worked for it's time. But eventually Godzilla evolved to where he became more unstoppable and a true king. You don't want people debating who the true king is after Ghidorah gets beat by 3 monsters. 

Huge-Ben

MemberBaragonMay-03-2015 11:37 AM

@Ray Burrberry,

Nothing can be further than the truth about Godzilla. The fact is the showa came first. Ghidorah was so strong in those movies Godzilla had to get help from others in order to beat Ghidorah. Now the Ghidorah in the heisei films is actually lesser in terms of toughness. It may be taller and heavier, but it wasn't that space demon. It was created by the atomic bomb the same way Godzilla was in 1954. Godzilla in the 1991 film was created by modern day atomic, nuclear energy making him bigger and far more powerful than the original. Godzilla was on the brink of defeat against the Mutos if that explosion didn't occur. 

Now, we do know that Mothra and Rodan are in it with king ghidorah, but my guess is they'll fight each other before ghidorah arrives. You're right that Godzilla did evolve to be able to handle his own against Ghidorah in other films, but who is to say that Ghidorah won't be like that space demon he was in his debut film? 

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Huge-Ben

MemberBaragonMay-03-2015 11:45 AM

If the company of Legendary is smart, they'll make Ghidorah seem indestructible. It will make things more interesting in terms of how the other monsters will beat him. It won't be a remake of Ghidorah the three headed monster. You have to remember that Gareth Edwards is going for that realistic approach. 

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G. H. (Gman)

AdminGodzillaMay-03-2015 12:56 PM

"And by giving a resounding thumbs down to the possibility of Godzilla beating Ghidorah on his own, what does that say about Godzilla?"

It says he's a monster that can do what it takes to win. Listen if we're going to root for a monster and feel empathy for him the next development is logically pitting him against something that outclasses him. There's nothing wrong with that and it makes Godzilla's battle both more suspensful and more interesting. He's borderline heroic in these films-- Plenty of heroes get help defeating their foes.

"I'd rather have the  solo Godzilla who can take on 2-3 opponents at a time rather than the one who appeared in the Showa films you mentioned. Don't get me wrong, the way Godzilla and those films were handled worked for it's time. But eventually Godzilla evolved to where he became more unstoppable and a true king."

You mean like how Biollante rose his tempature and sent him back to the sea? Or how Godzilla needed human intervention in order to beat Heisei King Ghidorah? Or how he couldn't stop Mecha-King Ghidorah in Tokyo? Or how two giant butterflies dumped him in the ocean and he decided not to immediately return? Or how he needed help to beat SpaceGodzilla from G-Force? Or how Kiryu beat him twice?

This "unstoppable true king" nonsense is the dumbest, most ridiculous, cockamamie excuse to forfeit a potentially more interesting battle yet. I'd rather have an interesting storyline and suspensful stakes that make me wonder how Godzilla will ever be able to win the battle instead of resigning myself to a confident win so we can call Godzilla "unstoppable" or a "true king". That's ridiculous. It's also bad plotting.

This is one reason why the early Showa films are so much better. Instead of fan pandering just to make Godzilla look strong, they actually put him in situations/battles where the stakes were against him.

"You don't want people debating who the true king is after Ghidorah gets beat by 3 monsters."

In 61 long years this hasn't happened, why would it now?

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

Huge-Ben

MemberBaragonMay-03-2015 1:06 PM

I mean, pretty much this post above me.

 

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Ray Burrberry

MemberMothra LarvaeMay-03-2015 1:29 PM

@GMAN2887

This "unstoppable true king" nonsense is the dumbest, most ridiculous , cockamamie excuse to forfeit a potentially more interesting battle yet.

Thanks for putting that so eloquently GMAN. You know, up until this point I've been enjoying a nice little debate with you guys without implying that anyone's opinion is dumb and ridiculous.

I respect your opinion and take on the subject as well. 

Well, nice debating with you. 

G. H. (Gman)

AdminGodzillaMay-03-2015 10:46 PM

Ray Burrberry,
Although that does seem directly stated at you, I meant it more as a generalization that you may or may not have been a part of and I apologize. That doesn't take away from the fact that I believe this is a poor reason to forfeit a potentially more interesting conflict in any film.

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

Durp004

MemberBaragonMay-04-2015 4:39 AM

And by giving a resounding thumbs down to the possibility of Godzilla beating Ghidorah on his own, what does that say about Godzilla?

The same thing that every Godzilla's had. Name one series that Godzilla's gone without any help, and won. If you look most of the time Godzilla gets no help those are the movies where he loses. King Kong vs Godzilla, Mothra vs Godzilla, Godzilla vs Biollante, Godzilla vs Mothra, Tokyo SOS just to name a few. In all those movies he got no help and lost, compared to the movies where either monsters or humans intervened to help him in some way which always comes out as wins. You seem to associate assistance with Showa, but truth is every series he's gotten help. Showa, Heisei, Millennium, and now Legendary.

 

But eventually Godzilla evolved to where he became more unstoppable and a true king. You don't want people debating who the true king is after Ghidorah gets beat by 3 monsters

 

Are we debating if Godzilla is the king now, because as I said he's always gotten help with wins, and generally is solo in losses.

Huge-Ben

MemberBaragonMay-04-2015 8:16 AM

Not starting an argument or anything but, I think you all are missing the elements on how and why Godzilla was defeated in those movies. Tokyo s.o.s. it was 3 against 1. Mothra vs Godzilla 2 against 1. Godzilla vs Mothra in 92, took 2 others to beat him. A loss is a loss but, when it takes more than 1 to beat you, that's what makes you king.

As far as Biollante, I look at it as a tie. They rose Godzillas temperature first and asked if he was immune to the A.N.E.B? Plus, Godzilla shot his breath on the lower jaw, then directly at her throat. Maybe not as bad as the female muto but she does take the shot. He then walked away. Just saying.

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G. H. (Gman)

AdminGodzillaMay-04-2015 9:42 AM

I consider Biollante a loss. Godzilla keeled over and Biollante was still standing. If we're not going to count that because human intervention rose Godzilla's temperature, then we have to take away all of Godzilla's wins that were won out of human intervention as well-- That includes Legendary's.

I think the real reason Godzilla gets no help in a given scenario is because he's the villain he's supposed to lose. When he's the monster we're cheering for the stakes are stacked against him and he needs help. Again this all comes down to dramatic writing-- Something I hope is looked at over pandering fan service.

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."
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