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Prometheus 2 dream team directors?

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get-it-out-of-me!

MemberOvomorphJul-28-2012 12:56 PM
After seeing the spectacular Olympic opening ceremony last night (and considering the fact that Danny Boyle was considered as a director of Alien Resurrection) how about a paring of Boyle and Ridley Scott next time being that Scott has few irons in the fire at the moment and could welcome some new ideas?
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David 1

MemberOvomorphJul-28-2012 1:24 PM
Gimme Cronemberg or Lynch. Gimme Chris Carter from the X-Files to write the stuff. Can't go wrong.
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Ryan741

MemberOvomorphJul-28-2012 2:09 PM
Chris Nolan, could not see past him.

allinamberclad

MemberOvomorphJul-28-2012 3:06 PM
It's probably a quite a short list - but, I'd guess that he, or even she, [Kathryn Bigelow, Mary Harron?..], who could take this on, focus on actually telling an interesting, functioning, Story, (while taking it somewhere new and doing a good job of that); just doesn't need Scott.

joeyjoe

MemberOvomorphJul-28-2012 3:24 PM
@david 1: After reading through many of your posts, id have to say that we differ a great deal in regards to our overall appreciation/assessment of Prometheus. Having said that, wow...i could not agree more with your above post (we've both commented on carter before). Ridley scott in a quasi-producer/director role (in order to establish proper narrative, visual, thematic, and directional continuity...it is scott's baby afterall), Cronenberg at the helm as primary director, and chris carter on writing duties...That would be a recipe for unparalleled success! Fox would have to be willing to throw some serious money at the franchise though. We can hope. Damn!! i so badly want more films in this universe. I feel like Prometheus was the creative enema that the franchise needed in order to continue on into greater and weightier directions. I know many of us were less than thrilled with the final product of Prometheus (personally, I was very pleased with the film), but we gotta chill out on some of the shrill hatred towards the film. I understand that people have very strong feelings as a result of the passion they have for the franchise (I identify with and applaud that), but i would imagine that fox and scott et al. are trying to get a feel for the pulse/termperment of the fan base as we speak. Im sure they want to know if it would even be worth it to commit to another film. Blu ray sales and general attitude towards the franshise will probably play a big role in any decision to make another film (and certainly how much money to dump on it). I dont want us to cut our nose off to spite our face. They definitely got the message; some of the fans are furious. Lets try to at least show some positivity in regards to the future of the franchise. I know ive gone off on a tangent here, but just thinking about the prospects of what could come in the future is exciting (lots of open doors now). Bring on a valid P2!

David 1

MemberOvomorphJul-28-2012 5:28 PM
joeyjoe: True bro. Having diferent perspectives is always good. Agreeing in some is also good. And we were bound to agree on something. Cheers
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KingMe

MemberOvomorphJul-28-2012 6:16 PM
Michael Bay. Psshhhoowww, BOOM! I need more unnecessary explosions!!!

deftones1986

MemberOvomorphJul-28-2012 9:12 PM
@KingMe [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DCa4DwpWAk]Michael Bay[/url]

Sentinel

MemberOvomorphJul-29-2012 1:17 AM
@David 1 I would second Cronenberg, but he might make us all lose our minds. My picks would be: The Wachowski Brothers Steven Speilberg or James Cameron *** 0h, and maybe a longshot: M. Night Shyamalan.

Xenomorph 54

MemberOvomorphJul-29-2012 7:28 AM
@David 1 I also like cronenberg, but if he directed a prometheus sequel, it would be very different than the first one and ridley scott's style. Cronenberg's bizarre style works very well at most of the times in my opinion (naked lunch is an example) but it would turn prometheus into something different...I'm not saying it wouldn't work, I also would like to see a cronenberg directed prometheus sequel and I'm sure it would have been interesting. Aside from Cronenberg, another considerable director in my opinion is John Carpenter.
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Xenomorph 54

MemberOvomorphJul-29-2012 7:30 AM
Since you've talked about michael bay: [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn_HFEDNZ_Q&feature=related]Your text to link here...[/url]
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Engineering

MemberOvomorphJul-29-2012 11:38 AM
@David 1...Lynch? Really not trying to be rude but do you really know Lynch's work? If you think people are pissed at the ambiguity and lack of answers in Prometheus then you wouldn't believe the shit storm that would hit if Lynch got ahold of it. I love Lynch. I love ambiguity. I love films that ask a lot of their audience. But I still often feel that Lynch's films really follow no coherent narrative and sometimes find myself wondering if even Lynch himself knows what the hell his films are getting at. His films, to me anayway, are entrancing regardless and I usually find myself forgiving their often impenetrable nature. IMO Lynch was best with the likes of Eraserhead where I could at least extrapolate my own opinion of what it was all about. Mullholand Drive and Inland Empire are either way over my head or simply make no sense. I still find myself watching and loving them regardless. The artist in me always gives Lynch and his films the benifit of the doubt. Being a huge fan of Lynch I'm sure I wouldn't be the first to say he would be a horrible choice. I think he would agree with me as well. Especially after the reaction to the first film. As far as Cronenberg, I think he could do a good job but he's grown and is no longer the Cronenberg he used to be, that most people know him as and that most people don't seem to want to let him move on from. Being a diehard fan of Cronenberg's older work with the likes of Naked Lunch, Videodrome and many others being among my favorite films I find myself also in love with his newer work. Top among those being A Dangerous Method which I find fantastic. I can't wait for Cosmopolis to open. Cronenberg and Lynch are simply 2 of the most cliche choices that come up in this conversation and it seems that many(not saying you)really fail to think about and consider their full body of work or the themes that they have touched upon. Trust me I would love to have someone post an intelligent, thoughtful proposal of what they have done in the past and how it could be good for this sequel. If you can do that I would love to read it. Here is something I posted a while back. I'd also like to throw Richard Kelly into the mix. Not sure why I never thought of him to begin with. [i]I don't really have just one that stands tall above the rest. I suppose my first choice would probably be Nicholas Winding Refn. I'd LOVE to see Refn take a crack as sci-fi. When you look at Vallhala Rising you really see how great he is at being able to be quiet and take his time. Much like Scott did in Alien but Refn takes it to another level. You see it in Drive as well and in sequences in Drive the pace goes from slow to frantic with gorgeous precision. I've never seen a director build tension at a slow pace as well as him. Maybe Scott and say Polanski come close but no cigar. I'd love to see his take on Prometheus. And unlike Cunningham he's proven he can make great featrure films. After this point they are in no particular order. I've heard people say Croneberg and I wouldn't mind seeing that. People seem to think he's the same director he used to be but he's really not. He's made some great stuff like A Dangerous Method. That is a seriously fan-freaking-tastic film. I can't get over how good it is. And while he's moved away from the sci-fi/horror realm I think a mixture of his old work with his new work would be a sight to see. I think what he would do would more than upset Alien fans though. If you think Scott took this in an upsetting direction you'd freak to see what Cronenbrg would do. An obvious choice is Duncan Jones and I think he deserves a big film. What he did with Moon was the perfect blen of paying homage and taking it a step further. He's got a great eye, likes practical FX and like Scott and Refn is a master at the slow pace. I'd like the film to have a slow pace and then break into a frantic pace which Refn can definitely do but I'm not so sure about Jones. That's very tricky to pull off . I'm not positive he could pull something like that off but I'm confident he could. One I'd love to see but it'll never happen is Fincher. I'd love to see what he'd do in this universe without a thousand cooks in the kitchen and a script that isn't being changed every 5 minutes. We all know pigs will fly first. While I will like to see Cunningham's first crack at a feature and sci-fi, I would definitely not like to see his first effort be the Prometheus sequel. For one, he's unproven and what I find even more disturbing is what happened the last time Fox and these producers, in this universe gave over the reigns-albiet not even halfway-to a first time director. While I like Alien 3 a little and don't find it a complete failure, it was a disaster of a production and should have been so much more. If Fox and Brandywine were to do it again I think history would repeat itself as far as no control for the first time director. And as we've seen Cunningham has turned down projects which didn't give him enough control. One off the wall pick of mine would be Brad Anderson. While I don't really care for all his work I think The Machinist is a classic which showed a world of potential. But he's a really off the wall pick and I'd be too scared if it were him. I think it would be too big for him. The reason I threw him in the mix is because I'd feel more comfortable with him than Cunningham simply because he's made a great film and a few decent films. Another obviousy/cliche pick would be Neill Blomkamp. While he's an obvious/ cliche pick I think he could get it done. With most of these directors I would definitely want Scott right behind them spelling out his vision but also letting them breath. Even with the other few that are definitely capable I would still want Scott with them putting in his 2 cents. One way or another Scott would have an influence. I think I'd like to see someone younger and not as experienced as say Cronenberg do it with a lot of Scott's imput rather than a legendary director with less Scott imput.[/i]
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Engineering

MemberOvomorphJul-29-2012 1:17 PM
@allinamberclad...Mary Harron, huh? Very interesting choice. I've seen I Shot Andy Warhol and, of course, American Psycho but that's all I've seen from her. I do think she's a great director and like what I've seen. What have you seen that would make you think she would be a good choice for the sequel? When I think of Kathryn Bigelow doing this film "meh" comes to mind. But Harron I find a very interesting choice. Yet another of your posts that I think Freud would take interest in. Unless you're of the female persuasion.
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David 1

MemberOvomorphJul-29-2012 1:57 PM
Engineering: quoting you bro: [i]"do you really know Lynch's work? If you think people are pissed at the ambiguity and lack of answers in Prometheus then you wouldn't believe the shit storm that would hit if Lynch got ahold of it. I love Lynch. I love ambiguity. I love films that ask a lot of their audience. But I still often feel that Lynch's films really follow no coherent narrative and sometimes find myself wondering if even Lynch himself knows what the hell his films are getting at"[/i] Yes I know all his work on the big screen as well is minor work and writen Essays, as well as those of Cronemberg. Indeed there would be some S***storm due to his Dune version in the past [wich is one of my fave movies btw], but he delivers some very peculiar aesthetics [like those on Twin Peaks]. Cronemberg also grown and is focused more on the mind than the actual body transformation. Wich is good, cause he makes it more subtle. He took quite a giant step in that regard. Less visual gore but somewhat more enerving. Regards mate.
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MemberOvomorphJul-29-2012 1:55 PM
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David 1

MemberOvomorphJul-29-2012 2:00 PM
Xenomorph 54: Naked Lunch is something else isn't it? Wild book and wild movie. Really well done. Indeed it would be very diferent. He has some peculiar way of story telling that could turn a sequel into a stand-alone thing.
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Engineering

MemberOvomorphJul-29-2012 4:25 PM
@David 1...I wasn't equating the "sh*t storm" with Lynch's version of Dune. I was saying that with the reaction to the ambiguity in Prometheus and everyone needing answers Lynch's ever present ambiguity would be a nightmare. There's really no ambiguity in Dune at all. It's pretty straight forward. Like I've always stated I think questions are a lot more interesting than answers and you may feel the same way. However, the majority does not. And while I enjoy the ambiguity in Lynch's films it would make people spew bile if a Prometheus sequel contained this type of ambiguity. Lynch flat out refuses to give any insight into what's going on in his films and often states that he will take his interpretations to the grave. Leaving people to wonder if any of it makes sense at all. While this doesn't bother me in the slightest it would bother many, many people. None of what I said really explains why he would be a bad choice though. The opinions of the "majority" does not a great film make. I know this. When I think of who I would like to direct this film I ask myself questions. For instance Lynch constantly explores the same themes whether it be features, shorts, art or the essays you mentioned. Which of these themes that Lynch has explored for years would be good in a Prometheus sequel? What story elements that he has touched upon would fit? What visual motifs that pop up over and over in his films would find a good home in Prometheus 2? I ask myself these questions over and over again in regards to Lynch doing this film and the more I do the less it makes sense. I'm pretty sure you might think I'm trying to be an ass but I love Lynch and would like to see where you're coming from. Perhaps I could if you could give your detaled perspective on the questions I asked above. BTW...I watched Naked Lunch yesterday. Wasn't the first or last time I will watch it. For Cronenberg to take an unfilmable book and pull back to include Burroughs and his writing process in the film to make it not only filmable but something more was a stroke of genius. Much like Seth Brundle and the fly, Burroughs and Cronenberg hopped into the telepod and at the other end was a truly magnificent meld of them both.
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Sentinel

MemberOvomorphJul-29-2012 4:25 PM
@Xenomorph 54: John Carpenter would be interesting, love him and his ideas. Loved 'Prince of Darkness' and 'They Live"

Engineering

MemberOvomorphJul-29-2012 4:45 PM
I love certain vintage Carpenter as well but his output as of late has been less than stellar at the best of times and down right awful at the worst. Ghost of Mars, Vampires being the worst and The Ward being the best. I did LOVE Cigarette Burns though.
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ParkerN

MemberOvomorphJul-29-2012 5:33 PM
Quite frankly, as long as Ridley scott in directing it or co-directing it with someone else, possibly john carpenter, or danny Boyle Im fine. (not to sure about Boyle tho) But remember this is Ridley Scott's domain, its his baby and he must stick with it, he already knows where its going, and if anything, he has the best judgement on the prometheus sequel and where it should go, otherwise I will not be pleased if he's not working on the second one... I still think Lindleof should be taken out tho, so we can get some real answers and more of a understanding, tho i do think he was a good choice for prometheus.

Engineering

MemberOvomorphJul-29-2012 9:05 PM
@David 1...I figured I would elaborate since I asked you(or anyone else really)for a detailed perspective on how Lynch and "Lynchian" themes would fit well in a Prometheus sequel. Here are a few themes that I feel are touched upon heavily and repeated often in all of Lynch's work. Especially his feature films since, after all, is what this is all about... 1)Obsession with biology often with sexual connotations 2)Parallel Worlds often accessed through dreams 3)Young Starlets in Hollywood and "theatrical" themes and motifs 4)Small towns which are cosy and comforting on the surface but seedy and vile underneath the surface 5)The comedy within horrible, tragic occurrences 6)Abstract Time 7)Sound 8)Decrepit Industry ...just to name a few. I know there are many more and perhaps there are some that would be well used in a Prometheus sequel. But from the ones I listed I just can't see any of them, the way presented by Lynch, would be well placed in a Prometheus sequel. I do see how #1 might seem like a perfect theme to be explored in an Alien franchise film. It obviously already has been. But Lynch's view of this is not the same as the "horrifying yet beautifully elegant" themes explored in the past Alien entries. His are often visions of creatures that the words "beautiful" and "elegant" would stay far, far away from. Most of the time consisting of disgustingly repugnant deformities of human forms. I do think the baby in Eraserhead is "cute" but none of the creatures in his films are beautifully elegant like, say, the Engineers or any form of the xenomorph.
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Engineering

MemberOvomorphJul-29-2012 9:22 PM
Can't edit the post above but wanted to add some thoughts. One could take a few of the themes I listed above and say they might be well used in a Prometheus sequel. Below I'll visit some of these and explain why I feel they are bad ideas for a Prometheus sequel. [b]"Parrallel worlds accessed through dreams"[/b] Personally, I think something like this in Prometheus would be lame to begin with. Above and beyond that I feel it would be adding something to a story that has too much going on already. It would truly be a disaster if explored in the ambiguous Lynchian manner where it's not really even explained that it is a parallel world or that it was accessed through a dream. [b]"Abstract Time"[/b] While on the surface this seems like it might be something cool to explore in a sequel I really have no idea where they would or could fit it in. I'm sure it could be done in a cool way. But again, we have to look at it from a Lynchian perspective. In his films time is abstract due to everything being drawn out to ridiculous lengths. Taking much time and asking a lot of the audience in the way of patience. Like in Eraserhead, the abstract time(as well as everything else, seems to be the product of us seeing everything through the grossly exaggerated point of view of the films protagonist. While I feel a longer, slower approach might be welcomed a bit in the sequel I think it would be better served as a dish al a the original Alien or, better yet, the likes we see in Valhalla Rising and Drive courtesy of my top choice, Winding Refn.
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Xenomorph 54

MemberOvomorphJul-31-2012 2:46 PM
Me too Sentinel
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