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MemberOvomorphJul-01-2012 1:25 PMIt should be away from the previous films, IMO.
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MemberOvomorphJul-01-2012 1:35 PMThey should honestly bridge the gap between Prometheus and Alien like Ridley Scott has said. Thats his plan anyway. Whether it be 1 or 2 more films after Prometheus he has mentioned that he wants to connect the missing pieces that would link both series together as one.
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Gav
MemberOvomorphJul-01-2012 1:37 PMI think they can (and should) do both, simultaneously.
HyperNova
MemberOvomorphJul-01-2012 1:40 PMBut do you think the franchise for Prometheus should grow ever-more independent from that of Alien while at the same time still maintaining little links to Alien franchise? Or, should the Prometheus franchise grow evr-more interweaved and crittically connected so one (Prometheus) almost becomes a parent to that of it child (Alien)? Or maybe a distant parent? Distant grandparent even?
HyperNova
MemberOvomorphJul-01-2012 1:45 PMI did mention this on another thread but it seems very relevant to this thread here so have broke it up into two parts for posting as some points I raised earlier on another page bear more relevance upon here instead so I am presenting it here. Read on and see what you think about my propsal.
'I would almost call it a Parallelquel in the sense that as the franchise developes (if so) then as the hypothetical second to third one fast approaches that of Alien their story liniages will be, shall we say, within sight of one another just never truely touching or linking up in any grand, direct way. It's like a flat line of the horizon you are all ways reaching out a hand for and heading towards but can never quite reach it as it moves with you in tandem to when you move.
Unless there is a desire to link up the apparant third film as it would be a good idea narratively speaking to let any franchise develop to at least the third part in a trilogy as it rounds off the developement in a much neater way. There may be little easter egg nods and flirts going back and forth between each franchise as a means for the producers having fun with the franchise that they in some ways helped to co-create in the first place.'
Sky
MemberOvomorphJul-01-2012 1:46 PMRipley was the link between all Alien movies (And ofcourse XENO). In case of Prometheus, if Noomi is cut out in 2nd shot, i don't think there will be much connection for rest of the future movies.
Point is people who watch these movies for the sake of fun and less of sci-fi genre interest don't care about connection. It's the fanboys do. And considering how franchise are reacting to the first type of the crowd, I don't think they'll care for fanboys expectations.
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MemberOvomorphJul-01-2012 1:49 PMThat could be a possibility too. it has to be corporate friendly while at the same time give loyal fans and new commers to the franchise each what they all want.
HyperNova
MemberOvomorphJul-01-2012 3:40 PMSo retain still some more of he D.N.A yet maintain its own annonimity or if not annonimaty then individuality and unique placing in the place of the franchise.
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Co-AdminMemberOvomorphJul-01-2012 3:34 PMI hope it's not a direct tie-in, that would be sort of cheesey
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MemberOvomorphJul-01-2012 3:41 PMI'd say that it HAS to tie to 'Alien'?
You can't really explore the Engineers without exploring the Aliens because they're so causally linked and it was the reason we were so interested in them in the first place. There are so many questions left over from 'Prometheus' that if they made little to no effort to answer them then it would just enrage people who invested time and energy in this new franchise?
You don't need to explicitly state on screen what's happening but you need to at least allude to it.
e.g. we need to see HOW the eggs get on to the ship that eventually crashes on 'LV-whateverthenumberis'. You might not need to [i]show[/i] the ship crashing and why it did (we already know this) but you need to at least 'nod' to it. If they don't do this then I feel most people will just feel cheated.
I actually don't see how you can separate the engineers from the Aliens? But I would say this: don't use the Aliens as a means of drawing people in only to reward them with nothing.
It's cynical. At best.
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MemberOvomorphJul-01-2012 5:53 PMPrometheus got as close to Alien as I wanted and I'd be happy if Ridley never looked back again.
joeyjoe
MemberOvomorphJul-01-2012 10:59 PMAlthough i would like to see the engineer/human dynamic explored as the central idea of any sequels, Scott simply MUST address certain issues of the xenomorph's biological chronology. Essentially... we know less about the xenomorphs post-prometheus than we did pre-prometheus (because prometheus raised certain questions about the xeno-biology and timeline, but didnt answer them). Some of the things we thought we knew about the xeno's were turned upside down. Scott doesnt need to spend much time on xeno's, but little pieces of the puzzle should, at the very least, be subtly put together. Another thing to consider: scott really shouldnt just pretend the xenos dont exist post-prometheus. The engineers, humans, and xenomorphs are all inextricably linked (Scott's newest film said as much!). From here on out, you cant just cut one of the 3 out completely. As far as future films are concerned, I feel like its all about a tasteful and intelligently executed "diminished role" for the xenos.
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MemberOvomorphJul-03-2012 8:23 AMThe Space Jockey has been such an enigmatic character and has prob been the most speculated upon character of the Alien movies. Personally I think the tie in with Aliens should be background information for historical reference only.
The Engineers need to be explored on their own to determine where and why they fit in.
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MemberOvomorphJul-03-2012 10:50 AMI think there is more to the Alien Universe than just the usual suspects. This canon can carry into totally new areas of interests and still pay tribute to their founding elements as guide posts in the overall plot. In many of the books and comics, they did a fantastic job of melding xeno and corporate intrigue. This is just one example. Another would be to explore the artificial person aspect... these are but a few areas that have yet to be explored in film. HyperNova great topic and very thoughtful, in that this is a question we all have discussed... but Hollywood will not listen and so books and comics are sometimes a better media for these ideas. Will they continue the connection in the Prometheus movies, it's a must. Engineers are invariably connected to the their xeno creations and to humanity. A love triangle of Sci Fi goodness.
BigDave
MemberDeaconJul-04-2012 2:16 PMI think Ridley will want to steer away from Alien and he said so in interviews that any future Prometheus sequels will steer away from the Xeno and one of the movies may even be set in a totally different time line.
So i think Prometheus 2 should explore whats on the Home World.
Are there any Engineers left?
Are the Engineers created by some other beings will we see them?
Why was we created?
Why was the out post set up on LV 223?
What else have the Engineers created or seeded?
I think Prometheus 3 could have potential to be set over 2000 years ago and maybe this movie will then explore the creation of man, or the setting up of the Out Post on LV 223 and why the Urns was created and what happened to the Derelict that landed on LV 426.
I am sure Ridley said that by the end of the 3rd movie, we will get the link and answers to Alien.
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HyperNova
MemberOvomorphJul-04-2012 2:47 PMI would like to imagine a situation wher by the Engineer's perhaps come across some signal or artifact themselves perhaps during a time many eons ago they were as curious a race and eager to explore as we have become, much to our detriment at times. What made them cross the great divide from who they were to who they eventually become and know of now.