NexusNews Prometheus 2 leak

Step one of his plan was to ensure his creator died on the mission. In this way he would become free of some of the programming. David only had to alter the plan/programming just enough. He knew the Engineers were not gods from the very start by analyzing the myths and records of their culture while deconstructing the languages from the ancient sources. So he just went with it for the most part and remained quiet on sensitive things and what the hieroglyphs were revealing to avoid lying. No one asked so he didn't even have to make an ambiguous statement. He can never really lie about Weyland's plans and his own true plans, although he makes ambiguous statements to attempt to cover up for this and reveals things almost as part of his programming as a way to deal with feelings of guilt or remorse.. for what weyland programmed him to do and for what was/is to come. Allowing him to gain permission to do unethical deeds if he's programmed to and can gain the permission to be able to carry out those acts by tricking those around him, or even himself.

Voidhawk, you wrote: "The story indeed had more, but as the book was shot down here once (which is not a fair thing to do as it IS chancelled by Ridley Scott and WAS the story at first...) it is hard to find much in the movie." Are you referring to the Allan Dean Foster book Alien, the one that they sold at grocery store checkout lines? If so, that book was written AFTER the movie came out by an author who is famous for writing book versions of popular movies and I also am totally unsure of what the phrase 'chancelled by Ridley Scott' even means. If you mean that he signed off on it I think more like Fox signed off on it as they bought the rights to the script in the first place prior to the beginning of principle photography.

No Rubirosa, Ash knew something was going to happen very soon to Kane I suspect because he could have discreetly done a scan of Kane after the face hugger fell off and saw the growing xenomorph within his chest. He also noted how much Kane was eating - eating for two so to speak. He may have sent information back to the company afterwards while he was collating with mother or she would automatically as he fed her scientific data during his study of the facehugger and perhaps the alledged scans as well. Remember how Ripley used the neuroscan in the EEV in Alien3 and the scan results were automatically sent back to the company? But while all of this I do not doubt, the company, Weyland already knew about xenomorphs before the Nostromo even got the acoustical beacon as was made apparent by special order 937: Science officers eyes only: Priority one Insure return of organism for analysis. All other considerations secondary. Crew expendable.

My posts from the locked thread... [i]Ok, got like 2 sentences in and saw "shooting starts later this year" or something or other and knew it was bs. Unless they are going with another director or Scott can shoot The Counselor in less than 6 months it's bs. Also, the fact that they kept story elements so secret for so long regarding Prometheus makes it very strange that some "insider" would leak info on the sequel this soon. Who knows though. I'd be happy as a pig in shit if Scott somehow got out of doing The Counselor and started this and then did Blade Runner. Another thing to think about is that Scott and co could very well actually be working on it as well as The Couselor. They were doing prep on Prometheus for quite some before they got a green light to begin. And I think I read somewhere that he was actually shotting or working on something else during the day and would work on Prometheus in his off hours. I'll have to look for where I read that and what exactly was said. I just seriously doubt shooting will begin shortly this year[/i]

Good to build more hype - but I severely think this is fake. Still, thanks for posting! I'm sure a lot of the original script were saved for Prometheus 2... Actually, I know that's the case. So I bet they will take on the sequel soon - just this seems reeeeeeally soon.. My verdict stands as fake until I get proved otherwise.

I dont think its no secret that Prometheus 2 is in development, i bet you before they finished cutting Prometheus they had fleshed out ideas and concepts for Prometheus 2. Thats why i think some scenes was cut, i think they wanted to obtain some mystery over the Sacrifice Scene and so kept the Elders out of it. Seems such a shame to create such a wonderful scene not to use it, and so i think maybe this scene will actually appear in Prometheus 2 instead as a flash back to explain why that Engineer made the Sacrifice. if they kept it in Prometheus then i guess it would explain more, and if they want Prometheus 2 to explain why we was created and who the other Engineers are, then by taking that scene out and having it part of Prometheus 2 gives us more of a mystery and unanswered questions with the Engineers in Prometheus.

You also have to consider that if Ridley wanted to cover Prometheus 2 he said he would want it to start work as soon as possible. I would not be surprised if they have done some scenes already. I mean if Ridley wanted to make Prometheus 2, while the set was up of the Derelict and while Rappace and Fassbender was in the last scenes, it would make sense for them to had done some more filming with them on a Derelict ship. I mean what the other option.... remake the Derelict Ship Set all over again? It makes more sense financially to reuse as much as you can at the time you was on set. I think Ridley will have Fox gauge the reaction to Prometheus and then see some of the ideas and maybe few shots already taken that can be used in the new movie. I think if given the Green Light we wont see any real mass work occur until latter this year and so expect the movie to not come out until 2014. I think Ridley has a tale to tell, that needs another 2 movies and i think he wants to get this story told as soon as he can pretty much like the Lord of the Rings Trilogy or last few Harry Potters.... Remember he is 74 years old, i am sure he does not want to be waiting until he is like 80 before his tale gets released in full. So i would assume he would want both movies done and released within 3-5 years tops.

It should be BS, on the other hand it's not impossible for him to want to do the movie over a span of 2+ years over to 2014/5 and take it easy with it while doing everything else instead of rushing it for 1 year.

He called David a Replicant on the HBO feature. Prometheus 2 & BR2 will be the same movie. He is 75 and has always wanted to link these iconic stories. Faster, cheaper & more mind blowing if he does it.

Sorry but Blade Runner 2 and Prometheus 2 will not be the same movie. 2 movie studios couldn't even work together to get Spiderman into the Avengers. No way in hell this happens. He might give subtle nods in each to hint that they take place in the same universe but he wont even be able to go far with that. Keep dreaming.

Jelbright...lol.... that might be the dumbest post ive ever seen in my life.

I suspect Prometheus was [b]sold to c20fox[/b] as either a TRILOGY or a PILOT + TV SERIES. Hence Lindelof's initial involvement (though he's hinted he'll step down, if pressured). PRESSURE, PRESSURE, pressure.....

There's nothing new here at all though, and it's gonna be 2 years before we hear anything for real so what... are you trying to give yourselves all a hernia?, "chillax" man, "Mellow Out" it's gonna be while man, they'll be plenty of time for speculation a year and a half from now. "One with the universe. nothing else matters" ! lol.

can we unpin this already?

Ooo smiley face should read 'B'

The Engineer scene at the beginning were part of that 20-some minutes which were cut do to time. The story was told without the additional "Engineers". They never talked, and we saw their ship leave. Nothing was lost due to this cut. I think too many people have been talking too much about a "trilogy" that hasn't even been alluded to. There will be a sequel called Paradise which will tie Prometheus and Alien together just nicely.

If there's a TV series - i'm calling BS on ALL of this - and making AvP my favourite film of all time

When it comes down to it, the Alien movie will have many of the answers that we have been searching for. We as fans have to look at Alien to pick up hidden clues. There is information in that movie that we are not picking up. I can feel it, especially with Ash. I still remember the dinner scene were the whole crew is sitting at the dinner table. Ash is focusing on Kane as he eats. Ash knew that something was going to happen to Kane. So how did he know. Did Weyland send back info to earth telling Weyland corp. the process of how the black goo can infect and effect humans. Ash is the answer.

@Rubirosa, Ash could have been watching a patient or like a scientist, observing. This is so Hollywood though but don't you think they would have conducted an examination? As we know Ash could have well known what was going to happen, "all other considerations rescinded." he told Ripley, which means the crew was expendable. One of the horrors of Alien was realizing that man could be more evil than the Alien. Weyland Corp. was using the Nostromo as a petri dish. For years I felt though that they were trying to push an agenda that Corporations were evil. Even further maybe some Anti-Semitism... Remember Burke from Aliens? In Space Odysey: 2001 the name HAL was representative of IBM, just one letter off (then the biggest name in computers). My Anti-Semitism theory is may be represented in the name Weyland. Turn WEY around.

Why doesn't Ridley Scott possibly hire another director for The Counselorand he then do another Prometheus? Unless he really likes the content of The Counsellor idea and wants to get a Prometheus film underway followed by a Blade runner film hot on the heels too! Maybe he can serve as producer to The Councelor get another director and he is freed-up then. I guess it all hinges on where he wants to go with a science fiction film then a conventinal one, then another science fiction film then another conventional one and so on. I think it is really good of him that Ridley Scott wants to honor his sci-fi interests as well as his fans while at the same time maintaining studio and directorial integrity in pursuing reality-based subject matters as well. Good-on-him!

@MVMNT AVP, kindalol but worthy, in a sick way. :)

Agreed on Ash being the answer.. The androids only seem to be evil because of their programming, but I strongly believe David was able to bend his programming slightly. And I think we'll get a whole rational answer for why the androids are slightly less emotionally advanced now and are designed to pretend to be humans. There could even be a rational explanation for why Ash thought it was a good idea to try to let the company obtain the bioweapon. what if the androids and the heads of the company know something we don't? That they need/want the bioweapon only to protect their assets and earth against an ancient empire that they know of. And what we perceived as evil was only a plot of a misguided android who was only trying to lead and protect us by fighting fire with fire. Remember David was partially driven by emotion, even though he chose not to show it too much. Did Ash have his own feelings or did they take them away? And who's the head in charge of Weyland giving the robots orders at this time if he knew? If Weyland and Vickers are dead is it some random board member who ascends to the throne and knows what happened? Or an offspring of the company who feels he's superior to humans and therefore has the right to lead. Has studied group and tribe interactions through his favorite movie and has prepared to unite groups to fight an empire in something much bigger than Prometheus. Has studied all the myths of the other groups out there. Knows more about the Engineer's true culture than he's letting on... A head that manages to survive after being detached from the body of the company. A prince, the preferred "son" and someone who saw himself as a superior leader to Weyland. Of course the people suspect this prince may have had a hand in allowing the king to die, since they've analyzed his dreams of killing the creator. So when he returns he'll be king David and he'll have to take the Kingdom by force to intimidate the board into allowing him to run the Kingdom against an empire he's learned of through the ancient myths and the hieroglyphs only he read and understood on Lv-223.

Interesting stuff but I don't really think Ash is the "answer." It's fairly obvious that the company new what they were sending the Nostromo to LV-246 for. How much info they had and details they were aware of is up for debate but the fact that the company knew they were going after a bio-weapon is not imo. I think the sequels may make the connection and show just how the company knew to send them there and what they did know but I don't think that will be the point of the film or the "answer" by any means. If that's what the Prometheus franchise is striving to tell then I for one will be very disapponted. I have faith though and I'm pretty sure Ridley has bigger plans.

what about the thematic connections to David possibly ascending to the throne that are hidden beneath the surface of a lot of what he does in the movie? He's not only referring to the big things in Prometheus, he's referring to the big things to come and quoting Lawrence of Arabia. That tells me he's studied the movie thoroughly and is acting like Lawrence in a way. Learning how to unite groups against an empire (the turkish empire in the movie). I think the sequel will have a lot to do with androids. maybe even an android army at one point.

Also, because David quotes and is about to reenact a dark version of his and Weyland's favorite movie on a galactic scale: he has some of Weyland's personality in him. Because Weyland was his creator and imbued him with some of his own characteristics and made him the metaphoric male heir to the throne. Hence the preference of David over Vickers. Weyland saw himself as god and a leader/king of man, and this has seeped into David... But Weyland couldn't see the whole picture like David could. Weyland quotes the movie too in the viral, indicating where David got some of his personality from. But Weyland didn't actually study and learn the languages of the other cultures like Lawrence of Arabia. David did, he spent time preparing to be able to speak the Engineer language like in the movie, and possibly the language of any of the other groups he learned about in the myths that will be used to form his attack against an empire... An empire only he learned about through his study of the myths and now because of his superiority complex thinks he should lead Weyland and wanted Shaw to let him take them back to earth. He's a huge danger to Shaw because she's making him take her right where he wants to eventually go, but maybe not so soon.

in the first Alien movie the company already know the existence of aliens, so I'm pretty sure that in the last "prometheus" movie we will get some answers about that!

Oh well... First and foremost, I serioulsy think Ridley Scott never really thought anything beyond the first Alien movie...that was a monster movie meant to be scary and innovative in the SF movies, which were not taken serioulsy until then. The story indeed had more, but as the book was shot down here once (which is not a fair thing to do as it IS chancelled by Ridley Scott and WAS the story at first...) it is hard to find much in the movie. Yes Ash knew what was happeing. Weyland knew what was on the planet. The message was not a simple one...even Ripley in the movie knew that but the book is clearer...she was trying to decypher it but her resources were not enough (Mother was not really suited to that task) but she got her intuition right as it being a warning. The full message was decyphered by The Company and so the whole thing was a set up to smuggle one of those bioweapons back on Earth. Ash mentioned how noble the they were leaving the warning, and expecting that humans one day meet such a great species out there. So, back to it, there is no mystery on the first movie. They made a really well performed monster movie, and added a daunting image wereas the book (original concept) had only a box sending an automated message (I recall the description...slit with a moving bar ticking...electric static keeping dust out of it....been there for decades or millenia...impossible to know - Dallas description) so in that they added a marvellous plot support, using Giger's weird and impressive imaging (Lovecraft would have loved to have him illustrating his books) created a byproduct even they were not aware. After the success of the movie (and I think it was a surprise to see how successful) a myth was created around the very successfull imagery created in the movie, so the scenery became as great as the main monster in the end. Hence we have today a chance to address what was created (if by chance, it does not matter now) then. As for news on the next movie I doubt that anything will surface now...they will comit a lot of money there and that will not be something taken lightly.