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Twitchy Droids

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Rick

MemberXenomorph01/10/2012
I've been analyzing the original on Blu-Ray. Did anyone else notice that Ash was drinking white fluid in the movie? I thought it was milk but then I got to thinking why would an android need to drink milk? First thing that to came to mind was he was faulting or developing a fault thats why he had to "rev up" prior to sitting at the console when they disembarked for the derelict. I mean could he have sprung a leak during hypersleep? Then that begs the question did he even sleep the entire time they were in hypersleep? What about when Ripley was interfacing with MU-THUR then her and Ash got into it a little bit. I think he biffed his head on the wall and knocked what ever was loose completely off causing his mental reasoning faculties to deteriorate. So here's some side food for thought if this is 30 years prior and there's a droid or 2 in Prometheus, does anyone think a twitchy droid is going to have a huge impact on the movie? Also there has to be different droid manufacturers. Any opinions or ideas on what I mentioned above about Ash.

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Frantz

MemberOvomorph01/10/2012
must be milk or the other crew would have noticed ...and he did must eat too ... i think Ash is forced during the movie to take alot of decisions "alone" ...without any kind of company help ...he "help" only when asked and he act only when the "specimen" is in real danger . to be honest i mantain a simple profile :The company did receive the alien trasmission ( maybe from another ship passing in that area...and they changed the medical officer to "help" to retrive the specimen with the famous order 937 ...after that was all up to Ash .

deadcell

MemberOvomorph01/10/2012
true, but even bishop gave up all food and water, kind of a loophole if you ask me

Frantz

MemberOvomorph01/10/2012
thats dont mean he ( bishop ) could not have eaten that ..just was not useful to him ..not digested ...maybe expelled as its :)

Rick

MemberXenomorph01/10/2012
Hey Frantz, I kind of agree but then again I need to detract a little bit. Ash seemed to me to be indecisive about almost everything throughout the movie when I analyzed his actions throughout. The onyl main exception I can make of this is when Kane first started having issues and coughed. Ash stopped everything almost expecting the Alien to burst out. Then him telling Parker to not touch it was kind of twofold reasoning. Stabbing it would have imploded the ship causing Ash to go with it and then specimen. Is there any info from the novel about Ash's where abouts throughout the ordeal? Rick

deadcell

MemberOvomorph01/10/2012
plus wasnt it a little obvious when ripley semi translated the message and ash couldnt. kind of sent up red flags there. plus when they crash land, everyone goes into instant work mode and takes care of buissness, ash just sits there and convulses.

Rick

MemberXenomorph01/10/2012
You know that is an excellent point. I so want to know what the hidden workings are that goes on behind the scenes in Alien and Prometheus regarding the company. You know there has to be a lot of underhanded dealings in it.

deadcell

MemberOvomorph01/10/2012
watch the original trailer for alien and watch the prometheus trailer. notice all the simalarities. its really erie dude

Rick

MemberXenomorph01/10/2012
I did see the old Alien Trailer but it has been a long long time. I'll have to rewatch it. But Ridley did make both movies so it would kind of go hand in hand with his technique per say.

deadcell

MemberOvomorph01/10/2012
and ash got his freakin head knocked off and beat down. bishop got ripped in half and still worked fine. what an upgrade he must have been lol

Neurion

Veteran MemberMemberOvomorph01/10/2012
Sorry...accidental double post

Neurion

Veteran MemberMemberOvomorph01/10/2012
In the ALIEN universe, it is possible that Ash and Bishop are not required to eat “normal” food because of their android make-up. However, Bishop wasn’t compelled or ordered to pass as a human, therefore, he wouldn’t HAVE to eat…to sell the charade that Ash acting out. Although, I loved it when he licked his own synthetic blood from his finger tip, after accidently poking his finger…just like a human might. However, it is possible that these androids do require at least some type of food (even if synthetic), in order to sustain their biological components…if they truly have any. I think of the BLADE RUNNER androids/replicants, who seem to share much more in common with human physiology. Over the years…I too noticed Ash reaching for the container of milky looking fluid. If nothing else…it’s kind of a cool narrative device or gag. I figure things will only get more “green,” so maybe it’s “Silk”…maybe androids run on soy milk…haha. ~N

Spartacus

MemberOvomorph01/10/2012
Neurion, Your post conjures up images for me of Androids being spoon-fed "Gerbers" Baby Food and dreaming of electric sheep. And of Parker drinking coffee ! LMFAO

Neurion

Veteran MemberMemberOvomorph01/11/2012
Grooooooss! HA!

Starbeast

MemberOvomorph01/11/2012
I always thought that Ash and the Blade Runner androids were actually the same model: NEXUS, but just a whole century apart - yunno, like Ford model T and Ford Focus. Of course, I've just made this connection up for myself. But wouldn't it have been quaint if both films shared the same future? I wonder if Sir Ridley intended that also...

deadcell

MemberOvomorph01/11/2012
ok for all intents and purposes, the alien androids and blade runner replicants were the same beast. but here's the catch, is an android a bio mechanical being like the xenomorph, and if so, would that have aided ashes mentality toward helping it. seeing it as a semi kindred spirit. god i love thinking about stuff like this

Rick

MemberXenomorph01/11/2012
To answer your question. The androids are not biological. They are strictly mechanical meant to look organic and that is about the extent of it. I do love the use of fiberoptics in Ash used for data transfer or signals in the movie to and from his brain. This was merely hypothetical use of data transfer until the eary-mid 80's with the advent of second generation fiber that was able to carry any real bandwidth across it. The xeno's are strictly organic meant to look mechanical. The difference falls on the ability of organic to have clean crisp mechanical 100% symetrical lines or corners is impossible. Example: the octopus. The octopus tries hard really hard to imitate sold hard lines but can't. It comes close but is unable to. Incase most of you didn't know. Octopus can change color. This is the only example that I can think of in nature at the moment.

deadcell

MemberOvomorph01/11/2012
yes but would you not consider an android biological because it has its own intellegence. to him an alien would be the only thing it could sympathise with.

Gavin

MemberTrilobite01/12/2012
I would actually argue that the synthetics in the Alien franchise are bio-mechanical - 90% mechanical and 10% biological, similar in respect to the Terminator. Yeah, okay inside they are made of circuits, wires, memory nodes (Pasta, Caviar and Marbles) ect. but externally they must have some form of grown human skin for Ash and Call to pass as human. Of course with Bishop this suggests his skin was cloned.

Rakkasan

MemberOvomorph01/12/2012
The assumption would have to be made that it has to be partially biological to pass as human, using todays knowledge and technology. Why would it be so hard to stretch the imagination and consider that in the future we can make a rubber/plastic type synthetic that looks just as real as a human? I like the idea of them being totally mechanical, and just because they posess human intelligence does not give them a biological component. After all the A in AI is artificial.

deadcell

MemberOvomorph01/15/2012
true, but to a artificial person, got to be correct for bishop, how would he compare a biological to a biomechanical. who would he sympathise with no behavioral enhancers. plus ash was a hyperdine 1282

Gavin

MemberTrilobite01/15/2012
Ash was a Hyperdyne Systems Model 120-A/2, close but not close enough

brego

MemberOvomorph02/7/2012
Re the original Post regarding Ash having a fault. I don’t think he was. He was following the company's orders and as Bishop states that the "Hyperdyne system always were a little twitchy" and they did not have behavioral inhibitors Ash could be used as an assassin of sorts to ensure that Alien was kept safe and on its way back to Earth. Re ingesting food. In one hole, out the other I expect. Perhaps Ash simply re charged during inactive times. I cant remember on which DVD making of disc its on, but ther is a section somewhere where the great Ridley talks of Ash and Androids in general. And particularly regarding the rolled up magazine scene. Which I still find very creepy.

skyguy1054

MemberOvomorph02/17/2012
If Bishop refers (in Aliens) to Ash's model as always having been "a bit twitchy" I wonder how much more primitive(wd?) the android technology will be in this film set ~30 yrs prior and how that will play into the androids behavior and particularly their motivation. Also remember, in BladeRunner, all the replicants really want is not revenge for what amounts to slavery, but simply "more life." Given the overall theme of BR, about what it means to be human, and given the motivation of ALL the androids in the Alien films, it seems reasonable that they all want to become more than what they are made to be.

skyguy1054

MemberOvomorph02/17/2012
Maybe Ash is an earlier, cheaper model and therefore more disposable. He, like the Alien he admires, is unclouded by "delusions of morality," therefore he has no objection to being considered just as "expendable" as the human crew. A more advanced, (expensive?) model like Bishop - who is admittedly "artificial but not stupid" - has no desire to be disposed of without reason. In Alien Resurection (which I hesitate to cite at all) Call opens up even more about the treatment and resistance of androids to their human creators.
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